Anyone know of a cylinder made for it? I have an ASM made, Cimarron marked, 1860 Richards. 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Same thing with the barrels. For the first 50 rounds the cylinder was very tight and a pain in the butt to fit in and out of the frame, but it is broken in and now I can change it with ease, but Im still not as fast as Clint in Pale rider. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. 36 Caliber; 70% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1861 REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. Their SAA's are a good example. WW II RIBBON USS SAN MARCOS LSD-25 NAVY*EMBROIDERED POLO SHIRT/SWEAT/JACKET. Some, like Traditions would rather just to volume and dont seem to be very demanding of quality. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. RO11, Cowboy Mounted Shooting, Hunting and Cowboy Action Shooting, Parts are still available on a limited basis from. Two were pretty good while the third and last was not. Wow, TTAG must be monitoring my TV; this review came on here while Im watching The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. I took 2 quick shots at about 70 yards (yes, too far, I know) one round hit its head, the deer dropped. I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. To be smooth like a real Winchester. Fordyce Beals. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and great fun to shoot. Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. 1866 Rifle Manual. I like to put some Bore Butter into the mouth of each cylinder on top of each ball. The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. Armi San Marco is out of business. Western Pennsylvania, Keystone of Freedom, CAS, Fine Wood Working, Toggle Link Rifle Tuner , SA Tuner, Casting, Reloading, Firing Black Powder guns Come visit us at: 1858remington.com Johnnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378, yup agree totally been doin bp for almost a half century myself n this is an excellent way to clean them your guy needs to foam elsewhere apparently that foam might dribble onto a bun n rust right through it to the table underneath after all foam is water lol. Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. BORE IS GOOD WITH GOOD 36 Caliber; 60% blue, fair bore, good grips, 5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION OF 1851 NAVY REVOLVER. These are considered antiques and not subject to paper work. Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. Anyway it worked, never had a problem since. .44 Cal percussion. Colt .36 with 21 grains. If were arbitrarily going to pick a time period of weaponry that makes you a true hunter, lets go caveman. DO use a stout load. I remember this because I had a pair of them at the time this came up. You have entered an incorrect email address! The Kirst conversion is named after probably the most famous cinematic example of the 1858 Remington rapid cylinder change, the final gunfight from Clint Eastwoods Pale Rider. It is meat harvesting, pure and simple. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Original blued finish and plain walnut grips. Stainless steel octagon barrel with drift adjustable front sight, elevation adjustable rear sight. I got them from EMF. I did not grease the shutgun one time and thought to fire it last. Same as for buying an 1873 Colt Peacemakerjust because it was designed prior to 1899 doesnt mean that you can have it shipped to your door. I also had 2 spare cylinders. I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. Thanks Dan. The Remington cost about 50 cents more per copy than the various Colt models, due to the top strap frame construction, and was not as widely issued. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Well its interesting still. He has a bee in his bonnet, that he is the ONLY person in the world who knows how to correctly clean black Powder revolvers. You have the names confused. (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. The other great thing about the cap-and-ball revolvers is that they are not considered firearms, so you can buy all you want and have them shipped to your door. With 20 grains, it shoots like a charm, so much so that Ive never loaded it any heavier. The Tom Selleck Western (from a Louis Lamour book) crossfire trail, the last scene has a virtual plethora of late 1800 iron in use by both the good and bad guys. The Remington on the other hand, was very WELL DESIGNED, and was considered to be one of the strongest Percussion Revolvers ever made, It also had a very superior Sighting System, with the rear sight a notch in the frame, and a post or blade foresight at the end of the barrell,, at the tip! ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Remington with 40 grains. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. I have a pieta with aftermarket Tresso nipples that do not fit the standard Remington capstoo loose, but fit Dynamil Nobel caps perfectly. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. It could definitely be loaded to deer-hunting levels but I just used it to punch large holes in an old oil drum we left against the sand bank at the quarry. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. PS: if you want to do more target shooting, but find yourself having to sell your wife, EAA (European/American Arms (Germany) makes some beautiful peacemakers replicas in everything from 44 mag to 22 LR (the latter comes with a second cylinder for the robust little 22 magnum). 1866 Rifle Manual. Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. This was suggested by a good friend and serious black powder target shooter who has a couple of the 1858s. Sounds like the name of a shady character lurking in the wisteria of some Flannery OConnor story, doesnt it? The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. I noticed in the latest Taylors catalog that they are also using the name Armi in, front of the Chiappa name in that catalog. (No, I didn't win it my son beat me in the shoot-off. percussion caps are NOT standard size. I weighs a ton, has a 9 inch barrel and is damn accurate. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Now, if only I could get my wife to come with me and reload.oh well. I considered making a set of lamps out of them but decided to give them away at 1/3 of what I paid for them. My dad of course saw them when they were new. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. I purchased it new from EMF in 1986. It is considered a part and can be ordered through the mail. He took the gun back. Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. This was sometime in the early 2000's. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting (#% or 40 grains.) Grand Army /Frontier Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. It ensures that every round fires the same without pushing the ball too deep into the cylinder. Dear Mr. Nickel, I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. .44 Cal percussion. Pour boiling water down the barrel, than put a couple of dry patches down there, and your bore will be like the detergent advert! BORE IS IN FAIR CONDITION. 1899. View more auctions here. At the poor fellows Autopsy! WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. The ASM firing pin holes in the recoil shields weren't hardened so they tend to develop a dimple that the primer flows in to binding the cylinder. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . You are to be congratulated in Choosing the BEST designed Black Powder Percussion revolver on the Market! BLUED BARREL SHOWS SMALL AREA OF PATINA ON LEFT ADJACENT TO RECEIVER. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Finally, different guns will perform differently with different sized balls (or conicals), and that is something to experiment with as well. I had the same problem. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. I wound up selling it shortly thereafter. Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. Retail $300. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Water is definitely the very best way to get rid of Black Powder fouling. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 But on my wish-they-would-make list a 5-shot .50 Old Army designed for sabot bullets and 50-grain Pydrodex pellets. the 1858 is Lee van Cleefs gun in Good, bad and the ugly. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. I do have to give credit to ASM for the fact that most of their reproductions were historically correct. He joined the union army enlisting on Staten Island New York august 22,1862.Yesterday I loaded the Remington 44 caliber with 27 grains of FFG black powder and a 44 caliber ball from midway.At 20 yards it shot a nice 3 inch group. Rust and pitting on metal. The lead ring around the chamber seems really tight. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Oh MY when I fired the first revlver chamber flash fired the shotgun too, with a full ounce of buckshot. 1876 Rifle Manual. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester Model: 1858. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. could easily have the hammer slip off his thumb, and and fall into the Half-Cock Notch, This almost always broke off a sixteenth of an inch off the tip of the sear, and using this rough edge to fire the piece, made for a very rough trigger release! Remington. On opening day he is in his blind and simply waits for a really good buck to come along. We recently got our reader-responsive electronic monitoring and drone surveillance program up and running. An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. It was a great shooter, but unfortunately it rusted up while in storage. WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 Be like suing Ruger if they called one of their 1911 models "Old Slabsides", or Uberti over their new 1873 "Thumbuster". EMF had ASM building them before they switched to Uberti. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. Cimarron Thunderer and A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) None other than William Buffalo Bill Cody wrote of his old 1858 Remington, It never failed me. If you had a few briefcases full of C-notes sitting around last summer, you could have bid on Buffalo Bills 1858 Remington, along with his hand-written note extolling the virtues of Beals revolver. For powder loads, the .36s usually run 15-20 grains (that is by volume, not by weightso you MUST use a measure), while most loads for .44s that Ive seen (all my guns are .36) are 25 to (max) 35 grains. Barrel: 12 inch Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Oil finished walnut stock with 44 BP; 97% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Made in Italy. Friends (very few of them) are welcome to spend the night on the sofa, be on the back porch at sunrise, and harvest a doe with his thanks. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of Retail $300. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. Cimarron Thunderer and Sorry for misleading anyone. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. If the shooter was a little rough with the gun, and dropped the hammer into the Half Cock Notch, the tip of the trigger could break off, radically altering the sight picture. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. Also, using silicon-impregnated caliber-specific wads between powder and ball forecloses having to smear grease into the chamber mouth re: chain firing. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). They are all excellent fit and finish. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. PIETTA AND I SHOOT 30 GRAINS OF PYRODEX FFFG AND IT JUST WILL MOVE MY HAND CAN I GO A LITTLE HIGHER ON MY GRAINS I AM A FIRST TIME SHOOTER OF THE CAP AND BALL REVOLVER THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME PAUL. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Still have one that is now a back up. It was stiff, clunky, and in the words of a couple of different pards, "painful to watch" me trying to use it. And a .50 sabot over 100 grains of Pyrodex is a humane, instant-kill deer load out to 150 yards. So, they tended to go out of time prematurely, particularly for CAS. Second, every forum has those who will not allow an absence of knowledge interfere with their conveyance of information. Being a Cavalryman Ive always loved the 1858s, 1860s and 1873s. Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. Nope. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. The cylinders are pricey, it cost as much as the gun, but I have gotten over the price and enjoy the heck out of shooting and reloading 45s. Actually, percussion caps come in slightly different sizes, as do nipples. I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. About 200 ft-lbs Energy The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. I saw it sitting used at a local gunshop a few years ago for $250 bucks. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored Great article and comments, Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. This gun was thoroughly rebuilt by Oglesby & Oglesby and is a fine revolver having had the cylinder and hammer re-hardened, and wire springs installed, including the Ruger style coil handspring and plunger. In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. I know! I had one of the Pietta 1858 Remingtons and while I enjoyed shooting it and learning about the history and evolution of firearms, the cleaning requirements are intense. Bah! Great review. Any you can look our website about turbo http://www.j2fastmotorsports.com/. BORE IS GOOD 44 Caliber; 80% blue, good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. I have two ASM revolvers, both were imports thru EMF. They are the Edsel of. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. Meat harvesting is whats done here in Texas. well, few years ago I visited a gun shop in Brescia "Palmetto" and I was looking for the double gun they were selling (Chaparral Sidebyside) . New in Box-never fired. I've never had any problems with them. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. The lesson is that if you shoot a black powder rifle dont think you know how to clean this pistol. View more auctions here. But Civil War rifled muskets were lethal out to 300, so I have to question such a claim. . Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. Colt cap-and-ball revolvers usually dont safety notches. A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. I have a spare cylinder in the LC so I can keep shooting just by swapping the cylinders. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. It is the reciever/frame of any gun that is the controlled part, basically the receiver or frame IS the gun, legally. Left grip has a chip of wood missing at the pin on the back edge. I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. 1873 Single Action Manual. Colonel in Texas Army. The cylinder! Thats not meat harvesting. Remington made a cartridge conversion in .46 rimfire, after they ponied up the royalty fee to Smith & Wesson and their fancy-pants bored-through revolver cylinders for metallic cartridges. Ramrod present. 1873 Single Action Manual. Or something like that. The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. On the other hand, I also have an ASM 92 clone. Black powder works best when it is compressed. Rare US coins, Carson City, Nevada history, Redheads. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. Or even from New York? JavaScript is disabled. I have done extensive testing of Black Powder guns and have a webpage with my collected Energy Data here: http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). She just a rolls out inna ya hand! I shoot both of them and they are a hoot. I had to put down an estimated 350- 400 pound bear that can in my camp and got into it with my dog. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 Take that, and cross reference it the list below. In the interest of keeping shooters out of prison, I will wade in. I have a pair of ASM-made and marked, EMF Hartford Colt reproduction revolvers in .45 Colt, 5 1/2" barrels. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. Lock functions well, trigger 44 Caliber; 96% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Pietta 1851 Navy .44 caliber black powder 6 shot revolver.
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